Wonderfully clear. I've asked colleagues what exactly do they think is being sought by swabbing the nasal cavity? Don't you remember how mucous works? Do you know what cilia is for? That's not how illness is determined! Same about antibodies. OK, so we've got demonstration of antibodies with the shots. That's it? We've reduced immunology to production of demonstrable antibodies? Oh boy. The use of fetal cells is also something people just don't seem to get. How do you get a whole virus? Gotta have some living cell to carry it. Where you gonna get one? Yes, I am just restating in pedestrian terms but my goodness it really is that simple.
Dr Stillwagon, do you think the vaccine proponents focus so much on antibody production because it is easy to measure, or at least easier than measuring other signs of immune system activation? Can we measure the other parameters of the immune system using lab tests?
They are looking for the wrong things in the wrong places. They should be focusing on testing the strength of the immune system with titers of immune cells, and the ability of T-cells to recognize antigens. These tests are possible and can determine one's ability to prevent infections from happening. To determine IF an infection is happening, they need to test for the presence of the antigens INSIDE the body, not outside. This can also be done.
What they are testing for inside the body are antibodies, not antigens. The presence of antibodies will not tell you if you are infected. The presence of antibodies can tell you if you were infected at some point in the past, but not always, as they wane over time. It is the B-cell memory to remake antibodies that is important. This can also be tested, but this test will only tell you if you have adaptive immunity to REACT, not the immunity to PREVENT.
The real story of immunity we need to focus on is cellular where the ability to PREVENT resides, not the presence of humoral antibodies where the ability to REACT resides.
The question I wish parents would ask is: "Doctor, do you expect my CHILD to get pregnant DURING CHILDHOOD?" The answer (unless someone is a paedo pervert) tells you all you need to know about vaxxing for rubella. And remember, 50+% of children will never be capable of bearing children--why are boys vaxxed for either this or HPV if it isn't simply about Pharma $$$$?
Wonderfully clear. I've asked colleagues what exactly do they think is being sought by swabbing the nasal cavity? Don't you remember how mucous works? Do you know what cilia is for? That's not how illness is determined! Same about antibodies. OK, so we've got demonstration of antibodies with the shots. That's it? We've reduced immunology to production of demonstrable antibodies? Oh boy. The use of fetal cells is also something people just don't seem to get. How do you get a whole virus? Gotta have some living cell to carry it. Where you gonna get one? Yes, I am just restating in pedestrian terms but my goodness it really is that simple.
Dr Stillwagon, do you think the vaccine proponents focus so much on antibody production because it is easy to measure, or at least easier than measuring other signs of immune system activation? Can we measure the other parameters of the immune system using lab tests?
They are looking for the wrong things in the wrong places. They should be focusing on testing the strength of the immune system with titers of immune cells, and the ability of T-cells to recognize antigens. These tests are possible and can determine one's ability to prevent infections from happening. To determine IF an infection is happening, they need to test for the presence of the antigens INSIDE the body, not outside. This can also be done.
What they are testing for inside the body are antibodies, not antigens. The presence of antibodies will not tell you if you are infected. The presence of antibodies can tell you if you were infected at some point in the past, but not always, as they wane over time. It is the B-cell memory to remake antibodies that is important. This can also be tested, but this test will only tell you if you have adaptive immunity to REACT, not the immunity to PREVENT.
The real story of immunity we need to focus on is cellular where the ability to PREVENT resides, not the presence of humoral antibodies where the ability to REACT resides.
Like checking viral titers?
The question I wish parents would ask is: "Doctor, do you expect my CHILD to get pregnant DURING CHILDHOOD?" The answer (unless someone is a paedo pervert) tells you all you need to know about vaxxing for rubella. And remember, 50+% of children will never be capable of bearing children--why are boys vaxxed for either this or HPV if it isn't simply about Pharma $$$$?