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Debra Nolasco's avatar

This was a great explanation, Dr. Stillwagon. This is precisely what Dr. Sucharit Bhakdi tried to convey to anyone who was willing to pay attention. It makes perfect sense to me.

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Kathleen Nathan's avatar

Yes Bhakdi did publish a book on the cytotoxicity of mRNA injections. It was coauthored by a panel of stellar experts /Users/kathleennathan/Desktop/title-small-e1690555902541.png

who called themselves D4CE.org ....I do not know if this group still exists.

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Kathleen Nathan's avatar

Here is the blurb about this book:

Our New Book: "mRNA Vaccine Toxicity," Free to Download, Available in Chinese, German, Hungarian, Italian, and Spanish Translations

Readers of our website will be aware that the mRNA vaccines that have been used against COVID-19 have caused injury and death on an unprecedented scale in the history of medicine. This book argues that these harms had to be expected from first principles of immunology. Furthermore, they are not limited to the COVID vaccines alone; instead, they are inherent in the mRNA technology as …

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Cynthia Ross's avatar

Thank-you for speaking of Dr. Sucharit Bhakdi.

Here is a video from 2021 where Dr. Sucharit Bhakdi is speaking of Prof Arne Burkhardts work.

Dr. Sucharit Bhakdi said

Clear evidence…

“Auto immune self attack by killer T lymphocytes on tissues.”

Organs Of Dead Vaccinated Proves Auto Immune Attack - 22/12/2021

https://www.bitchute.com/video/fHIT55iM4Zv9

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Debra Nolasco's avatar

Yes, I remember seeing that video. Thanks for providing the link. I may watch it again. Dr. Bhakdi's book, together with his wife, Karina Reiss, PhD, was actually the first book I read regarding the whole scamdemic. It was called, "Corona, False Alarm?" Between Dr. Vladimir Zelenko & Dr. Bhakdi, they really opened my eyes about what was going on. They, in turn, led me down a very deep rabbit hole as well as a very long & winding road of discovery as to what was being perpetrated against & foisted on humanity. I am very grateful to them as I am to all of the other courageous & ethical doctors & scientists who have spoken out about this deliberate attack on the world's population. I keep their names close at hand & it is from them that I seek information. Once you have this level & degree of insight & understanding, it is easy to see precisely what has taken place. The hardest part is trying to get others to open their eyes. I've pretty much given up. As Mark Twain once said, "It is easier to fool someone than it is to convince them that they've been fooled".

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Kathleen Nathan's avatar

Yup....I bought hundreds of dollars of books since that first one by various authors Pam Popper, Ed Dowd, Peter McCullough and sent the to friends...now former friends, I suppose--- as few have responded except indirectly by calling my (now vaccine injured} husband and "telling" on me. Because of this...he is upset and doesn't understand why I did this....I was trying to help and to warn others.

No one has thanked me or acknowledged my sacrifice....which is nothing when I think of what has happened to Peter McCullough and Dr. Bhakdi and Dolores Cahill etc etc. They were blacklisted, banned and excoriated. When will the peeps wake up????

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Debra Nolasco's avatar

I understand completely, Kathleen. My experience has been nearly the same. I have literally read at least (20) books on this topic, (too many to list here), read hundreds (probably thousands, at this point) of related articles, & watched countless hours of video interviews & presentations. I've shared some along the way, but the reception has been either lukewarm or absent altogether. Other than my brother & his wife & a dear, life-long friend who developed cancer in 2022, after having gotten (3) of these experimental genetic injections, I cannot think of another person with whom I have shared information, who has seen the light. My guess is that they are either mortified that they fell for this psy-op operation & can't admit it to themselves or to anyone else, or they are still in deep, deep denial. Neither one is good.

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Kathleen Nathan's avatar

I cannot state what is going on in their minds. I know that Edward Dowd's book CAUSE UNKNOWN presents irrefutable evidence of the "vaccine" toxicity. I have also distributed this book to selected people. What has happened is this: DEAFENING SILENCE....and then a phone call to my vaccine injured husband--- whose guillaine barre syndrome is so severe now since his "vaccines" he can barely answer his phone and on some days can't get out of bed.....

So there you have have it. The truth is too "toxic" for the sheeple. "Let them eat cake. then" ....as a eugenist from the past once said when informed that her people had no bread.

Let them eat cake indeed.

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Cynthia Ross's avatar

Are you located in the USA?

I am unable to order Bhakdis autobiography book that has been translated into other languages.

‘The way of Truth’

Not available on the USA Amazon.

I ordered through Amazon.de

After telling me it was coming to me.

They told me unable to deliver due to technical difficulties

So I reordered it

They told me coming to me in January

Become like a game now

Dr Sucharit Bhakdi has since said he has done another book.

💵⚕️💵 Interview with Prof. Dr. Bhakdi: mRNA Jabs Worse Than Thalidomide

https://www.bitchute.com/video/oAxqOHimQ2iW

Burkhardts videos all keep going dark on me.

His birthday is coming

January 6

Rest in peace

Arne Burkhardt

(January 6, 1944-May 30, 2023)

One thing Dr Burkhardt said…

He had asked other pathologists and universities to help him.

At first they all said

YES

Then

They all said

We are not helping.

Please leave us alone.

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Debra Nolasco's avatar

Although I am in the U.S., Dr. Bhakdi's book, "The Way of Truth" does not seem to be available in English here, as far as I can tell. I will keep looking, however. If I find it, I will let you know. I too, was very fond of Dr. Arne Burkhardt. He was such a decent human being who tried so hard to provide the truth about what he was actually seeing as a pathologist. Like all of the others who have tried to tell the truth about anything related to covid or the poorly tested experimental genetic injections, he was ignored. Then he sadly died. He is missed.

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Cynthia Ross's avatar

Thank-you I will keep speaking of Dr Sucharit Bhakdi and prof Arne Burkhardt to all that will listen. Thank you again for your reply, I am most grateful.

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Debra Nolasco's avatar

You're welcome, Cynthia. I have enjoyed our exchanges.

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Kathleen Nathan's avatar

I specially ordered this book from LULU as soon as it came out....I have seen no other copies. I know Bhakdi and Michael Palmer made some videos. Bhakdi did his due diligence trying desperately to warn the the benighted public about the serious health threats posed by these injections. There was also someone who has a website under the name J Wilderness posted video after horrifying video of athletes and others collapsing while playing sports etc. These were awful to see. I don't know if they are still available. I think the series was entitled WHAT'S GOING ON? or something like that....

It is difficult and horrifying to contemplate the scale of this disaster....which has yet to be fully understood by the public or even by MOST medical professionals....Literally billions of people took these injections at "warp speed"....

Really figuratively and literally HEART BREAKING.

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Douglas Lloyd Peck's avatar

Great explanation! The way the body has been designed to protect us is fascinating and humbling.

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Roger Sterling's avatar

Excellent post. Thanks. Problem is many will still ignore the truth.

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Unagnu's avatar

That is what he was afraid of. They were going to double down on it. He was never going to take another vaccination/jab because of this. Soon all the 'vaxes' they sell you which your CHILDREN are MANDATED to take to go to school - will be these kinds of jabs. Total death and wipe of humans

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Kathleen Nathan's avatar

beyond frightening....Do you really think this will happen?

I guess the rationale is that "elites" do not need "normal" humans any more

We are using "their" space, breathing "their" air....hunting "their" animals...w

What can I say? They have the power to annihilate humanity and we gave it to them.

Can it be taken back?

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Unagnu's avatar

elites do not take jabs/vaccines. That's the tip off. Ask Billy Gate of Hell if his kids and their kids are vaxxed? Answer not a chance in hell... We are the carbon they want to get rid of. Perhaps the second coming is coming fast and they don't want any souls left for Heaven... so they are corrupting and killing them off asap. I think of this as alien. These are profoundly anti life anti human anti world people. On par with an alien culture terra forming us out of existence

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Roger Sterling's avatar

Mark my words .... people will fight back and there will not be enough armed guards to stop them. I'm not calling for violence BUT there is an old saying....when people lose everything and they have nothing else to lose...they lose it.

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Kathleen Nathan's avatar

The tipping point is on the horizon. Now these "vaccines" are on the childhood schedule. Anyone giving them to children is performing child murder....

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Jacqueline Smith's avatar

Thankyou Dr Stillwagon from the bottom of my heart for not being afraid to say “God designed” the immune system We marvel at the ingenuity of a craftsman who makes beautiful things that work well. That is an impressive type of wisdom isn’t it? Well, I firmly believe that Jehovah God is the Source of and the ultimate Professor of such wisdom. Your wonderful explanation in words we can all understand, helps confirm this to me.

King David said of Jehovah :”I praise you because in an awe-inspiring way I am wonderfully made. Your works are wonderful. I know this very well”(Psalm 139:14)

So, indeed, the more I, personally, learn about the human body ,the more I find myself awed, like David, by Jehovah’s wisdom

Those who try to disregard the original wise design and substitute their own are evil, arrogant fools.

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Kathleen Nathan's avatar

All of creation testifies to the presence of a divine mind who out of infinite wisdom gave to humanity the FREEDOM to choose good or to choose evil.

God is good and has given us magnificent bodies and a bountiful and beautiful planet...

We destroy his creation and will reap the whirlwind.

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Dr. Kevin Stillwagon's avatar

I've come to know the very talented Brad Skitismis and his family over the past few years.

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Claudia  Giordano's avatar

Beautifully said

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MattB's avatar

As I wrote to my list, this is the best 3 minute read on the innate immune system (for the most part) that I have seen. Thank you so much Kevin!

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Hess's avatar

“If germ theory were true their would be no one alive to believe it”- BJ PALMER

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rachel's avatar

Well, I believe its' simply a matter of adequate levels of Zinc, D3, and nutrition.

Boosting the immune system. But I am not a doctor.

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Heather Jones's avatar

Most of us reading this material are not doctors or researchers. I had my first cold in 20 years just this week. I will never put anything in my body just because a doctor wants me to.

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rachel's avatar

Understood and agreed. In 8 years of medical school, doctors do not learn about health. They learn abour masking symptoms through drugs. This pointless system

never solves the root cause of the problem. Happy new year.

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Kathleen Nathan's avatar

Drugs mask poor health choices so that we are able to go on abusing ourselves and our children with toxic food, poisonous drugs to address the resulting health issues, polluted water and a deceiving and evil media presence constantly broadcasting out lies and half truths. Our "medical system"....brought to you by big Harm-ya and evil Dr. Bill et. al.

https://rumble.com/v28osk2-gates-behind-bars-five-times-august.html

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Casper Stith's avatar

Dr. Stillwater,

Thank you for getting this information out!

Until we, as a collective, understand that the mechanism of harm in these mRNA injections is cytotoxic T cells killing previously healthy cells, we stand no chance.

We got this!

#tcellarmy

#mechanismofharm

#endmrnanow

#criticalmass

#eachoneteachone

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Will R Thomson's avatar

he didn't respond.

or mention common cold coronavirues. WIERD.

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Stella Bell's avatar

Okay great explanation, my question to you is then, for those of us exposed to shedding and are mainly o blood types, did not get the shots, still get sick Plus, it affects the worst gene and causes that gene to become over active, then what do you think?

My suggestion is that your doc should run gene testing, once the results come back, you find the most natural way to work with the gene issue. Insurance will not help for natural meds. In some cases you may have to resort to pharmaceutical treatments.

I also know that the pharmacy folks know this is happening, but doctors, emts, and politicians refuse to talk about it.

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Dr. Kevin Stillwagon's avatar

Gene testing can for sure be helpful in determining predisposition to certain illnesses. What we should do with that information is build preventive protocols particularly with diet and exercise. What we should NOT be doing is trying to change the genetic structure. Unfortunately, western medicine appears to be headed towards gene modification.

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Dr. Kevin Stillwagon's avatar

Shedding is real just based on measurable changes in menstruation that can be verified. More investigation needs to be done on exactly what people are being exposed to. Personally, and I've said this from the beginning... it's not the protein, it's the message to make the protein that is somehow being transferred. https://drkevinstillwagon.substack.com/p/my-views-on-shedding?utm_source=publication-search

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Stella Bell's avatar

Good day Dr. you will enjoy this. I went to see a dentist, asked about his getting shots. He stated that it was a hippo violation and I said okay we will assume you did. Therefore you can only do 1 procedure. I can mitigate that with barley or natto. He checked my mouth said he couldn’t find an issue, and would not treat me for any dental issues. I think he felt he would be doing damage and a did not want to be responsible for that. I hope it got him thinking about what happens to other patients that are like me. Who knows…..

You may share this story. I hope that those who got the shots can be cured, until then, I stay home….

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Richard Kudrna's avatar

After my mRNA heart attack, stroke, myocarditis, pots, dysautonomia, I was found with depressed adaptive immune system. The doctor did dozens of tests and I recall they had CD8 in the name. Then I was diagnosed with mastocytosis. My cardiologist was at least clear, he said one more mRNA would be fatal.

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c Anderson's avatar

Thanks for sharing that, Richard. You are so helping others through your experiences! 🙏

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Unagnu's avatar

Dr. Tenpenny was talking about this when jabs were rolling out. Turning off one part of the immune system, and thus becoming disadvantaged and open to infections. Also Dr. Bhawat (sp) and others. The premise of the 'gene therapy' was flawed. The process as Schwab stated (thank you WEF for telling us) 'changes YOU irrevocably'... hum. And not of course in a good way...

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Kathleen Nathan's avatar

"They" always do tell us "their" plans for us.....but somehow....the peeps don't hear it....They have broadcast it out that we aren't "needed" anymore because now "they" have robots...including in Japan realistic models of female humans for lonely men...all anatomically correct...These life sized dolls respond to the advances of their "lovers" with appropriate agreeable affirmations....disgusting.

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STH's avatar

My 96yo mother in law has had every Covid shot, every flu shot and pneumonia and RSV. 😵‍💫 She hasn’t been sick with anything in at least 10 years. It’s very bizarre. I guess there’s always outliers.

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Dr. Kevin Stillwagon's avatar

Some of us have such strong mucosal barriers that stuff that is not supposed to get through it... doesn't, even though the humoral side, the inside, is compromised.

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Kathleen Nathan's avatar

Not all the shots were the same. Some people have stated there are as many as 2O distinct batches....see Craig Paardekooper's work.

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Sounds Like Nonsense's avatar

DR PAUL ALEXANDER SUBSTACK DR STEVEN PELECH STUDY

Majdoubi, Pelech, Lavoie et al. study showed (3.5 years ago, mid 2020) & at height of the COVID lockdown lunacy & way before the fraud deadly Malone Bourla Bancel et al. mRNA gene vaccine was rolled out, that 90% of uninfected adults showed antibody reactivity against the spike protein, receptor-binding domain (RBD), N-terminal domain (NTD), or the nucleocapsid (N) protein from SARS-CoV-2

https://palexander.substack.com/p/majdoubi-pelech-lavoie-et-al-study

ARCHIVED ⬇️

https://web.archive.org/web/20240927080127/https%3A%2F%2Fpalexander.substack.com%2Fp%2Fmajdoubi-pelech-lavoie-et-al-study

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David Hill's avatar

“Malone Bourla Bancel et al. mRNA gene vaccine…”

I’m not sure what this phrase refers to. If “Malone” is referring to Robert Malone, he was indeed a leader in mRNA research. He has since come out strongly against the application of his research and is now one of the leading opponents to the mRNA products that were put on the market at the beginning of the Covid pandemic. Yet Paul Alexander excoriates Malone as one of the evil ones.

I would suggest that you take Paul Alexander’s posts with a grain of salt. He is ranting and raging on his own self directed mission and not paying attention as the situation evolves.

True, there are many who need to be held accountable for the immense damage they have brought upon us all, but let’s make sure we get the right ones identified and properly convicted before we bring out the scaffolds.

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Karen Amos's avatar

Agreed. Alexander seems to have gone off the rails this past year & only appears to include himself & a very select few as being worthy of praise. He gets quite vile & rageful, offering no one a bit of room to correct their course at any time. If you once were deceived by the dark side, he will not let you shift, & at best become “controlled opposition.” What’s the point in sharing truth if you refuse to let people have aha moments & team up with you? Hope he’s changing his stance, but I was very disappointed in him & wished I hadn’t prepaid for a year subscription to his substack.

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David Pfaff's avatar

Sadly I must state, and before there are no voters left alive to vote, unless there is REAL criminal prosecution and appropriate actions taken against all of those who walked in lock step to kill off humanity, all of these pretty ideas for actions is worthless. There is no cure of what's in us; no remedies despite all the sales ongoing of spike defense and all the crap. I urge all to view as many times as it takes for this to sink in the follow presentation by a Ph.D researcher who was murdered the day after he when public with his results:

https://forbiddenknowledgetv.net/murder-just-hours-after-publishing-the-secret-of-the-vaxx-dr-noack-is-dead/

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David Hill's avatar

This was from November 2021, the very apex of the pandemic. Scary.

That he could be murdered and nobody held to account speaks loudly of the professionalism of the contract killers. Who has access to professional assassins? Who can afford to pay them? How can the contractors be assured that their contract will never be public knowledge?

The overhaul needed to restore trust in our authorities is overwhelming. I like to call this our guillotine moment, a time when the authorities have so egregiously overstepped their bounds that there will be no limits on anarchy and chaos that follow. And of course it will always be somebody else who is to blame for the chaos, not the gross malfeasance of the authorities in power now.

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David Pfaff's avatar

YEP! We are at that moment David H. Stand strong !

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David Pfaff's avatar

Totally agree. We are at that moment where all is at risk. Stand strong.

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David Hill's avatar

Karen, thank you for your insights. What a disappointment indeed!

Best wishes going forward from here.

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Kathleen Nathan's avatar

I never had a good feeling about Dr. Alexander....something really off with this guy....I hope he is not "controlled opposition" as it is called.

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Sounds Like Nonsense's avatar

I suggest you go tell him.

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OldSysEng's avatar

Sure, Malone the MD/BARDA-scientist claimed he got the Cov in early 2020, and then he took the Jab (knowing very well how it had to work) and then claimed he was Jab-injured! Does that make any sense to anyone?

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Dr. Kevin Stillwagon's avatar

I asked Dr. Robert Malone why he did that to himself as I drove him to his hotel after a conference we both spoke at on November 20, 2021. He stated he was suffering aftereffects (now called long covid) and was willing to take risks to alleviate the symptoms he was experiencing. Simply, he believed testimony that the shot helped people that were in his dilemma. The proteins created from the shot attached to ACE2 receptors all along his vascular system, sent his blood pressure through the roof, and damn near killed him.

Here’s the conference we spoke at: The Florida Coalition for Health Awareness (FCHA) hosted a landmark panel of medical, research, and legal experts in Largo, Florida. The panel of experts included: Dr. Kevin Stillwagon, Dr. Joseph Fitzgerald, Jeff Childers, Robyn Openshaw, Dr. Larry Palevsky, Dr. Carrie Madej, Dr. Peter McCullough, Dr. Robert Malone, and Dr. Sherri Tenpenny.

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OldSysEng's avatar

Thanks. That's helpful to understand.

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David Hill's avatar

Thanks for background information. That is very helpful.

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Kathleen Nathan's avatar

nope--makes no sense.

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M S's avatar

WHAT? I never saw a study proving the existence of COVID-19....where is that study which shows isolation and purification of SARS-C0V2 (or SARS-COV1 for that matter)???? What I know to be true is that stress, lack of nutrients, eating a high carb, high processed, seed oil, sugar rich diet can and does cause all kinds of symptoms of the body detoxing or purging...it is natural. I'm glad to know my body is resilient and knows how to repair itself when under assault (not from fictitious "pathogenic viruses".

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M S's avatar

this isn't a study...it is a video. Please provide the study Dr. Stillwagon.

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c Anderson's avatar

It helps if you watch the video before you criticize. He includes studies.

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M S's avatar

I asked ONE SIMPLE QUESTION....give me a study that proves isolation and purification of SARS 1 or 2. Why should I watch a video when the study should be at his fingertips? I just want one.

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Dr. Kevin Stillwagon's avatar

By your definitions, nothing could ever be isolated and purified, even water molecules. It's impossible. The inability to isolate substances underscores the interconnectedness of nature and the complexity of the natural world. The recognition that substances are never completely pure emphasizes the importance of considering context and environment in scientific inquiry. Here's my friend Dr. James Lyons-Weiler with some links to studies in the comments: https://popularrationalism.substack.com/p/astounding-discovery-sanger-sequencing

I get it that some believe that "viruses" come from within, not without. The fact is, you can find long continuous strands of genetic material that doesn't match the human genome pretty much anywhere inside and outside the body. It's easy to prove they are long continuous strands, and, yes, you can chop them up into tiny pieces and have a computer program piece them back together into unique sequences, but that's not how it's done. Watch my video. In it I describe and experiment that has never been done, but needs to be done, to settle the argument.

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M S's avatar

First, "By your definitions"...you mean the definition that is in any dictionary? Are you saying that Robert Koch's gold standard postulates were too strict and that no one complied with the true definition of isolation and purification to determine if a disease was a disease?

You do know that contagion has never been proven and that it is still just a hypothesis, right?

You can't describe how a virus is real by using cell culture materials like antibiotics and other chemicals that would naturally cause a cell to die. Can you write down what products are used in a cell culture to isolate and purify the supposed virus?

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Kathleen Nathan's avatar

Dr. Sucharit Bhakdi has stated that the whole concept of disease causing "virus" is a fraud and this was expounded on at length by scientist Peter Duesberg writer of a book INVENTING THE AIDS VIRUS.....The HIV (human Immune Virus} never existed and likewise the "covid" virus never existed. People got sick because of 5G....fluoride in the water....and various additives in their food. It was an overload on their bodies. 5G was the final straw and the fake "vaccines" are now doing their fatal work....The "elites" want the place to themselves....

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Tom Childs's avatar

Excellent!

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Cynthia Ross's avatar

Thank-you Dr. Kevin Stillwagon.

Would the term

T cell exhaustion be appropriate to say?

“T cell exhaustion is a state where T cells, a type of immune cell, become dysfunctional and lose their ability to effectively fight off infections or cancer cells due to prolonged exposure to a persistent antigen”

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Dr. Kevin Stillwagon's avatar

Most definitely. Persistent antigen production from mRNA shots, especially repeated booster shots can exhaust T-helper cells. They will then fail to provide adequate support for cytotoxic T cells that are supposed to destroy infected cells. They will also fail to communicate with B cells that are supposed to make appropriate antibodies, thus weakening the overall immune response. Remember that each T-helper cell is unique, so this exhaustion is going to be specific. If it was general, no one would survive.

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Perplexed Rationalist's avatar

Truly excellent explanation, yes maybe it takes two watches for most people to get it but I don’t think you could be more simple or clear. But you seem to suggest that those who have taken mRNA jabs will keep getting infected until they stop. But surely it’s already too late? Isn’t the damage done after even one shot or is there an elements of good genes and immunity at play too?

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Dr. Kevin Stillwagon's avatar

It's not too late. It is my opinion that if most of us stop trying to stop viral infections from happening, they will stop happening, naturally, through robust regaining of cellular immunity.

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Perplexed Rationalist's avatar

Sorry but could you expand? Is your point that if people can space a decent amount of time before another infection (and stop taking more shots) they could regain some cellular immunity? My concern is for family who took 1-2 mRNA shots. They’ve stopped now, they get it, but isn’t the immune response already so honed in on spike that whenever the next infection those cytotoxic y-cells are just going to go nuts? Or are you a believer that with enough time thr body will reset its response? I would like to share practical advice with them

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Dr. Kevin Stillwagon's avatar

Yes, with natural exposures, over time, cellular immunity will reset. https://rumble.com/v5tapyh-the-best-boost-to-your-immune-system-is-a-natural-exposure..html

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Cynthia Ross's avatar

Thank-you for your reply Dr. Kevin Stillwagon.

Being 65, I am a bit concerned…

“As we age our thymus shrinks and is replaced by fatty tissue, losing its essential ability to grow and develop T cells and leaving us susceptible to infections, immune disorders and cancers.”

“The thymus is a little organ that sits behind the collarbone, but it performs an important job. The thymus is where essential immune cells called T cells are made and trained to go out into the body and fight infections and cancer.

A peculiar feature of the thymus is that it disappears as we get older. The thymus starts deteriorating after birth but the process speeds up after puberty and, by age 65, we are basically unable to make new T cells.”

https://www.wehi.edu.au/news/can-we-turn-back-clock-ageing-thymus/

No fear

Amor up

Nitric oxide…wish everyone had done this in 2020.

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