I've long considered the 'viruses don't exist!" people (VDEP) to be a few dupes led by infiltrators to discredit the health freedom movement.
If viruses don't ex... well it's not worth discussing, especially as you've explained it so well here. But by popping up on Substack and Youtube comments and being highly vocal, they make newcomers think "Well this is a bunch of crazy loonytoons; I don't want to get involved or be associated with these weirdos..." and so they're repelled, before they can truly absorb the real data and message.
As an aside, it's very well-documented that the UK and USA governments ALWAYS infiltrate anything that challenges the status quo, indeed they often take charge or even create the movement in order to control it. The more someone is respected and trusted in the movement the more likely but by no means certain) that they were artificially put there, keeping the narrative within acceptable limits.
While people are arguing over the existence of viruses we're NOT discussing if the leak was accidental or deliberate, and if deliberate who benefits or what the motivation was? No, we're busy discussing if the last 3 years even happened or not!
I'm not dissing your work, which is valuable and I hope it prevents others being led up the garden path by the VDEP. I'm just pointing out that while there's a lot of stupidity out there, there's a lot of scum trying to mislead us too, and they've used such tactics for a very long time.
The problem is that those who are explaining the position have data that is extremely intriguing and pertinent. This is ALWAYS ignored by the virus people, nor will the most vociferous of the virus "believers" actually sit down and discuss the debate together in a video with the others.
Why?
Why won't Kirsch, the master bettor actually sit down with Cowan or Bailey or the others that express this idea so succinctly.
You write that all of us who see this data being ignores as dupes, yet NO ONE is actually debating the thing. Still wagon does a video, when Bailey's videos are ALWAYS begging his type to debate the subject. But crickets reign.
Will Stillwagon get Malone (or whomever) to sit down and actually discuss the data that Bailey, Kaufman et al show?
I won't hold my breath, and until it is done, you can call everyone a name, but we know that the issue is actually being ignored and is hardly answered.
If you can convince them to answer the MANY calls to debate by these people, you might be on to something. But I bet you Kirsch's money that it will NEVER happen.
"As an aside, why does he refer to "virus deniers", as in "Holocaust deniers"? Why is he using that term so persistently? Seems to me it is an indirect way of attempting to convince lay people that his narrative is the only true one, just like the Holocaust narrative is the only true one, and anyone who does not agree is labeled a "denier". The need for the use of the "denier" term, dear Dr. Stillwagon, is the weakest argument I have heard/seen about the existence or non-existence of viruses."
My guess is that Stillwagon is a jewish person carrying that old brainwashed propaganda that permeates their entire tribe. Using the Nazi card (or Holocaust imagery) is their standard boogeyman scare tactic. When I see such usage, I know that either the person is wholly uninformed and brainwashed by a lifetime's worth of propaganda, or they are actively misleading. As of yet, I don't think he is misleading, but I am beginning to wonder.
The obvious issue is that IF these viruses are not real and Malone, et al are actively ignoring and refraining from the conversation with these people, then either these supposedly very smart people are actually not that smart or discerning, or they are protecting the racket.
He is obviously a "believer" of viruses. And it makes sense since I am sure that's all he's ever learned.
But when others see the inconsistencies that you and I have noticed, it only makes one wonder if he is truthful or just wrong.
Discernment is not a medical professionals' highest quality any more. How can it be when they constantly spout this incorrect mantra over and over again without addressing the elephant in the room that actual discerning people pick up on?
They won’t debate the issue because it’s a waste of time.
The “no virus “ people will never admit that they might be wrong and no amount of evidence to the contrary will change their minds.
****Prediction:
I will now receive a whole bunch of links from people who have little to no scientific background, links that purport to prove beyond any doubt that viruses don’t exist. The problem is that they do nothing of the sort…..
I’ve had this conversation so many times before that I’m sick of it.
I guess that countries all over the world are just pissing away money on viruses, virologists and virology labs for no reason…. since viruses don’t exist. (I just saw a breaking news article about how Chinese virologists have modified the Ebola virus…. I wonder how they did it, since viruses don’t exist/sarc)
As for my prediction, it’s happened in ALL of my previous interactions with the “no virus” crowd.
From the low number of ‘likes’ to other comments, perhaps very few people have read the thread so far…..
Those "countries" are, too, taking YOUR (and their tax farm money) and building a complex of sickness. Its the same for space exploration, the military complex and many other boondoggle money theft missions.
I'm sure you are ok with all of it. You love your government and cronies killing you and taking your money to boot.
Firstly, I appreciate your Peacemaker attempt to skirt the virus / no virus debate by highlighting that, whatever we believe, strings of genomic material appear to exist which interact with human cells in particular ways sometimes resulting in observable symptoms.
Setting that whole virus / no virus debate aside for one moment, I really resonated with your question as to “Why?” the genomic material you characterise exists at all in Nature. More significantly I resonate with the answer offered in the video, that this particular class of genomic material exists to enable humans to ADAPT to an ever changing environment.
This obviously still begs the question, does this adaptive genomic material come from the outside environment (virus theory), or from inside (terrain theory). I can’t answer that question, but I can certainly endorse the final moments of the video commentary where the speaker virtually states that vaccines interfere with that process of adaptation.
So maybe Autism for example is a result of ‘maladaptation’, and it should be pretty straightforward to compare vaccinated and un-vaccinated to assess degrees of adaptation and ascribe coincidence if not causality with the vaccine.
It will never happen of course as the answer is already known.
viruses come from liver cells ? from self ? but viruses are not self ??/ have you heard of dr stephan lanka ?//??? so our cells make viruses that are not us ???? virus life cycle? but viruses are not alive... they claim that a virus has never been isolated , therefore experimental pietre dish comparisons are dubious at best moot... move around jump around/??? rupert sheldrake morphogenic field ... dr bruce lipton reveals a lot ,u tube ... dear God of goodness truth and love please enlighten our darkness
I've long considered the 'viruses don't exist!" people (VDEP) to be a few dupes led by infiltrators to discredit the health freedom movement.
If viruses don't ex... well it's not worth discussing, especially as you've explained it so well here. But by popping up on Substack and Youtube comments and being highly vocal, they make newcomers think "Well this is a bunch of crazy loonytoons; I don't want to get involved or be associated with these weirdos..." and so they're repelled, before they can truly absorb the real data and message.
As an aside, it's very well-documented that the UK and USA governments ALWAYS infiltrate anything that challenges the status quo, indeed they often take charge or even create the movement in order to control it. The more someone is respected and trusted in the movement the more likely but by no means certain) that they were artificially put there, keeping the narrative within acceptable limits.
While people are arguing over the existence of viruses we're NOT discussing if the leak was accidental or deliberate, and if deliberate who benefits or what the motivation was? No, we're busy discussing if the last 3 years even happened or not!
I'm not dissing your work, which is valuable and I hope it prevents others being led up the garden path by the VDEP. I'm just pointing out that while there's a lot of stupidity out there, there's a lot of scum trying to mislead us too, and they've used such tactics for a very long time.
The problem is that those who are explaining the position have data that is extremely intriguing and pertinent. This is ALWAYS ignored by the virus people, nor will the most vociferous of the virus "believers" actually sit down and discuss the debate together in a video with the others.
Why?
Why won't Kirsch, the master bettor actually sit down with Cowan or Bailey or the others that express this idea so succinctly.
You write that all of us who see this data being ignores as dupes, yet NO ONE is actually debating the thing. Still wagon does a video, when Bailey's videos are ALWAYS begging his type to debate the subject. But crickets reign.
Will Stillwagon get Malone (or whomever) to sit down and actually discuss the data that Bailey, Kaufman et al show?
I won't hold my breath, and until it is done, you can call everyone a name, but we know that the issue is actually being ignored and is hardly answered.
If you can convince them to answer the MANY calls to debate by these people, you might be on to something. But I bet you Kirsch's money that it will NEVER happen.
Funny that.
Well said, guv!!
"As an aside, why does he refer to "virus deniers", as in "Holocaust deniers"? Why is he using that term so persistently? Seems to me it is an indirect way of attempting to convince lay people that his narrative is the only true one, just like the Holocaust narrative is the only true one, and anyone who does not agree is labeled a "denier". The need for the use of the "denier" term, dear Dr. Stillwagon, is the weakest argument I have heard/seen about the existence or non-existence of viruses."
My guess is that Stillwagon is a jewish person carrying that old brainwashed propaganda that permeates their entire tribe. Using the Nazi card (or Holocaust imagery) is their standard boogeyman scare tactic. When I see such usage, I know that either the person is wholly uninformed and brainwashed by a lifetime's worth of propaganda, or they are actively misleading. As of yet, I don't think he is misleading, but I am beginning to wonder.
The obvious issue is that IF these viruses are not real and Malone, et al are actively ignoring and refraining from the conversation with these people, then either these supposedly very smart people are actually not that smart or discerning, or they are protecting the racket.
He is obviously a "believer" of viruses. And it makes sense since I am sure that's all he's ever learned.
But when others see the inconsistencies that you and I have noticed, it only makes one wonder if he is truthful or just wrong.
Discernment is not a medical professionals' highest quality any more. How can it be when they constantly spout this incorrect mantra over and over again without addressing the elephant in the room that actual discerning people pick up on?
Bellissimo!! Love it!! I've asked Biggsy for some evidence. Let's see what he's got!
They won’t debate the issue because it’s a waste of time.
The “no virus “ people will never admit that they might be wrong and no amount of evidence to the contrary will change their minds.
****Prediction:
I will now receive a whole bunch of links from people who have little to no scientific background, links that purport to prove beyond any doubt that viruses don’t exist. The problem is that they do nothing of the sort…..
Marky, choose any virus you like and cite one paper for proof of its existence. Fair?? Let's go from there, eh?
I’ve had this conversation so many times before that I’m sick of it.
I guess that countries all over the world are just pissing away money on viruses, virologists and virology labs for no reason…. since viruses don’t exist. (I just saw a breaking news article about how Chinese virologists have modified the Ebola virus…. I wonder how they did it, since viruses don’t exist/sarc)
As for my prediction, it’s happened in ALL of my previous interactions with the “no virus” crowd.
From the low number of ‘likes’ to other comments, perhaps very few people have read the thread so far…..
Those "countries" are, too, taking YOUR (and their tax farm money) and building a complex of sickness. Its the same for space exploration, the military complex and many other boondoggle money theft missions.
I'm sure you are ok with all of it. You love your government and cronies killing you and taking your money to boot.
Marky, don't get emotional. Just cite a paper for any virus. Let's go from there, eh?
Hello, Biggsy! Choose any "virus" you like and then cite some evidence that it actually exists. Then, let's go from there. Fair??
Firstly, I appreciate your Peacemaker attempt to skirt the virus / no virus debate by highlighting that, whatever we believe, strings of genomic material appear to exist which interact with human cells in particular ways sometimes resulting in observable symptoms.
Setting that whole virus / no virus debate aside for one moment, I really resonated with your question as to “Why?” the genomic material you characterise exists at all in Nature. More significantly I resonate with the answer offered in the video, that this particular class of genomic material exists to enable humans to ADAPT to an ever changing environment.
This obviously still begs the question, does this adaptive genomic material come from the outside environment (virus theory), or from inside (terrain theory). I can’t answer that question, but I can certainly endorse the final moments of the video commentary where the speaker virtually states that vaccines interfere with that process of adaptation.
So maybe Autism for example is a result of ‘maladaptation’, and it should be pretty straightforward to compare vaccinated and un-vaccinated to assess degrees of adaptation and ascribe coincidence if not causality with the vaccine.
It will never happen of course as the answer is already known.
Thank you for that great explanation.
Food for thought and non-censored debates.
viruses come from liver cells ? from self ? but viruses are not self ??/ have you heard of dr stephan lanka ?//??? so our cells make viruses that are not us ???? virus life cycle? but viruses are not alive... they claim that a virus has never been isolated , therefore experimental pietre dish comparisons are dubious at best moot... move around jump around/??? rupert sheldrake morphogenic field ... dr bruce lipton reveals a lot ,u tube ... dear God of goodness truth and love please enlighten our darkness
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Viral_vector
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZJ0MYmKY8_U
You may be one of the most gifted teachers on the planet, Dr. Stillwagon. Thank you 🙏!
LOL!!